002B. A Conversation on the Best Daily Routines for a Healthy Life

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Key Quotes

• “We’re planting the seeds of addictive behavior patterns now at such a large scale, and at such an early age now, I can only wonder as to the consequences this will have ten, twenty years down the line. We’re slaves to screens.” – Wesley Jackson
• “When we set our habits, we set our disposition to the world. So when we change our habits, we do the same.” – Andrew Gilley

Episode Summary

• Wesley Jackson and Andrew Gilley explore why routines are worth revisiting today in the context of habits, and how to effectively handle difficulties associated with implementing them.
• Routines are essential for forming habits, which become who we are – little differences add up over time, 1% better per day equals 37 times better after one year.
• Setting up positive routines is key; incentivize the process by rewarding yourself for completing the routine to encourage positive habits.
• Wesley and Andrew discuss their personal daily routines and suggest experimenting to find what works for individual listeners.

Full Transcript

[00:00:00] Wesley Jackson: How do you think the best daily routines for a healthy life are related to habits?

In today’s self-help podcast episode, we explore why routines are worth revisiting today in the context of habits. We then examine the nature of routines and how they’re an important factor in our lives. Lastly, we share insights that we’ve compiled on how to effectively handle the difficulties that we all may encounter with implementing routines in our lives.

Welcome to Surviving Humanity: A Self-Help Podcast, where we shift your perspective to help you overcome the obstacles in your life.

We are Wesley Jackson and Andrew Gilley, and we hope to foster a sense of connection and community over our common struggles while providing you with the tools to overcome them.

 As always, our FacebookSubreddit, and Twitter are the best places to go for community, connection, and support. Links to these are in the show notes.

Let’s get started.

So Andrew, what are the best daily routines for a healthy life?

[00:00:56] Andrew Gilley: Let’s start by talking about routines.

So, your routines are a collection of habits that you bring to your day. You are what you do and your routines are the things you do most often. Routines could be negative or positive. Brushing your teeth, for example, is positive and smoking is negative. Brushing your teeth contributes to your life and health, and smoking does the opposite.

Though for a long time, I found one of these significantly more appealing than the other – it’s the smoking. Since our habits shape our personalities, it’s important to examine your routines and think about how they’re impacting you. Because what we do is who we are, and we shape ourselves when we make each choice.

So, it’s very important that your most important things, the things you wanna become, are repeated every day.

[00:01:41] Wesley Jackson: That’s so true. It is really something that you have to put in the effort for every single day. In my opinion, if we want to get into specifics, I think that the best daily routines center around like these three main areas of sleep, nutrition, and movement.

I think if we had to pick just three facets of our lives to really focus on, the momentum that’s generated from these three areas really helps carry us forward, not just each day, but into the future as well. I think it really helps build up resilience for whatever life tends to throw at us, and I think that mastering these three areas in particular will really build a ton of resilience in both the body and the mind.

[00:02:23] Andrew Gilley: Absolutely, and these aren’t separate things either. The body and the mind are connected and form us as a whole. So it’s very important to look at all of these things to get a clear idea of what’s going on.

So, why are we talking about this today? Routines have always been around, but Wes, what do you think? What’s changed?

[00:02:43] Wesley Jackson: Because the routine that we most often find ourselves performing on a day-to-day basis, perhaps I’m just speaking for myself, but it’s scouring our phone for new notifications on whatever website or social media app we’ve got downloaded on it, or doomscrolling on social media.

These routines generate the opposite of momentum and so many of us are stuck in this kind of hamster wheel, where we’re not actually running anywhere and yet we’re still expending energy on these routines. And they’re just unproductive at the end of the day. Not just unproductive, but in fact harmful to our progress in life and our mental health especially.

Because if we’re just doing this every day of our lives, just think of how much time that adds up to after a year or even five years for that matter, or ten – social media has been around for a very long time now. How much time have we spent on it? How much value have we actually gotten out of that?

[00:03:42] Andrew Gilley: I don’t wanna know the answer to that question, that’s terrifying. I’m sure Twitter’s got it somewhere for me, but –

[00:03:48] Wesley Jackson: Oh god, yeah, I’m sure that they’ve got the data on that.

[00:03:51] Andrew Gilley: Oh yeah.

In the last episode, we were talking about advertising’s effects on this. And this is a great point here, is that a lot of our routines are now based on social media, who make all their money through advertising, and we discussed a few of the ways it’s harmful on last episode. So, these kinds of problems associated with social media – lower self-esteem, the intensification of stereotypes, the photo editing that leads to false perception – all of these things together create big problems and our routines intimately involve these things.

For me, it’s particularly just the doomscrolling. I’m not really as compulsive a poster, but, you’re looped into your friends too. You’re liking all your friends’ posts and it’s a way of socializing. But it’s kind of a whacked out way of socializing. It doesn’t form the same kinds of personal connections that we do through like real conversation or in-depth talks versus a 280-character tweet.

[00:04:41] Wesley Jackson: Yeah, it used to be even shorter, right? It was like 140, originally?

[00:04:45] Andrew Gilley: Yeah, they doubled it like 2016, I think.

[00:04:47] Wesley Jackson: Geez. So, how important do you think then routines are to our lives at the end of the day?

[00:04:53] Andrew Gilley: Routines are what make up our lives. Our lives are made of days. Our days are made of hours, and our routines are what fill those.

So, cultivating good routines is good because the more you do something, the more it becomes a part of you. You want to do the things that make you become the person you wanna be, and you have to set up your habits this way. This is what Aristotle talked about, he thinks that habits are the way to become ethical.

In order to become an ethical person, you have to have the habits that an ethical person would have. This sounds a bit circular and it is a little bit, but what Aristotle really means here is that there’s no rule, like you shouldn’t always do X in a particular situation.

You shouldn’t never lie. Rather, in order to figure out that answer, you have to form the habits of justice and compassion and other virtues to become the sort of person who would act the right way in that situation. There’s not one answer, but there’s a type of person to become, so if we aim our habits in the right way, we can change ourselves dramatically by compounding these different effects.

[00:05:51] Wesley Jackson: I really like that – instill habits that propel you to become the person that you want to be. That’s a really good, powerful one. I think that’s a really nice daily reminder to provide like the “why” behind why you’re doing these things.

Because, implementing habits at first, no matter what it is, you can know that it’s good for you, but just implementing a new routine and having to stick with it and the kind of like discipline phase of that is never something that’s necessarily easy.

[00:06:20] Andrew Gilley: No, it can be pretty rough. When I was learning to meditate, I found this really hard and I still struggle with it some days, but I’ve gotten into a pretty good routine. What the meditations themselves were doing was telling me to set an intention – to think about why I’m meditating, who I’m meditating for, who it helps.

It helps not only me, but my loved ones and everyone around me. Yeah, I think intention-setting is really good.

[00:06:41] Wesley Jackson: Yeah, like loving-kindness meditation, or metta, is really helpful for that too, because instead of directing it towards the self, you’re directing, your meditating out towards others.

It’s like a social meditation, it’s pretty interesting, fan of it.

[00:06:55] Andrew Gilley: They’re different feelings, yeah.

[00:06:56] Wesley Jackson: What’s really interesting is that researchers from Duke University said that up to 40% of our behaviors on any given day are driven by habit, AKA routine.

So, I just want everyone that’s listening to think about that for a moment, up to 40% of our day and thus our life. Because as you said, our lives are made up of days, hours, minutes. That means we’re essentially operating during this time on autopilot. So, it’s important that we all get a bit more of a handle on our own routines, and like you said, Andrew, be more intentional about them.

What would we say then, is the reason here for this urgency? Why are we talking about this right now?

[00:07:38] Andrew Gilley: Technology is a big one. That was the same in our last episode. I think that’s a pretty big factor in a lot of these different things, because our brains aren’t as adapted to new technology yet, or depending on who you read, can’t be.

I don’t have a settled opinion on that, but yeah, we’re looking at social media, we’re looking at the internet, we’re looking at TV and streaming services too. Let’s not leave out like content producing things like YouTube and things like that, because these streaming services also keep you trapped in them in the same way.

It’s not as socially disruptive as social media, but it’s still luring you into bad habits. So, essentially the reason it’s urgent is because there’s never been a better way to pick up bad habits than the Internet. And so you wanna make sure you’re the one doing it, not the Internet, or any other negative influence you have in your life.

You wanna make sure that you’re the one setting your routines, because as we said, that’s how you become the person you wanna be.

[00:08:29] Wesley Jackson: That’s an interesting way to phrase that. The Internet doing the work for you, basically. It’s like feeding you new routines, like “Here you go. You like this? Have more of it.”

We don’t realize it’s happening. The less control that we have over our daily routines like this, the less control we have over our own lives at the end of the day.

If we’re primarily engaging in bad habits throughout our day, these routines ultimately only take us further away from our goals, and so that’s why we’re talking about this today. 

Because everyone has goals of some sort in their life, and even if they don’t, they have a general feeling or desire to accomplish certain things or at least accomplish something, be something at the end of the day, something more than themselves.

We all have this desire for self-actualization, self-transcendence, and if we don’t master our routines, we’ll never really get there.

[00:09:19] Andrew Gilley: Absolutely. 

Routines have obviously always been around just by the definition of the word, but with our particular negative routines, where do you see this coming from? What’s the origin of our kind of disordered lives where we can’t really do the routines we want?

[00:09:33] Wesley Jackson: I actually want you to talk about that first, I think.

[00:09:36] Andrew Gilley: Alright, I’ll go ahead. So, it’s generally very hard to form routines. You’re working, and where we live, the United States, it’s a 40-hour workweek minimum, basically. And in some cases you’re lucky to get that, but the way work “works” in the US is all of your routines are structured around that. And this could be more or less disruptive. The least disruptive is probably an 8-hour workday from home and the most would be night shifts at a warehouse, or anything like that.

It’s not you that’s really picking these things, it’s your job. A 40-hour workweek is a routine, but that’s imposed on us. We don’t like work because it’s by definition exploitative, because you aren’t getting as much out of it as somebody else is, or, when you can’t work for yourself or you’re not working for something you believe in, and I think that’s most people.

I don’t think my day job is particularly important or anything, so, I find it quite dull. My pleasure comes from routines outside of that to try to reclaim some control, so I’m not literally just sitting on my laptop 80 hours a week writing copy. It’s about forming something outside of that work identity that I think is really important.

[00:10:42] Wesley Jackson: Yeah, structuring our lives around work, for example, the thing that pops immediately to my head, is the commute. Nobody talks about the commute that is required when going to and from the office, which you don’t get paid for.

I don’t know anybody that gets paid for their commute, but it’s just forced upon you. That was one of the like, good things I would say that came out of the last two years or so is this kind of remote work shift, which has its pros and cons, but the eight hour workday is an interesting one.

I’m gonna take a bit more of a critical stance upon what you said. We seem to center our lives around this eight hour block every day, and but in the end result of that is that we squeeze in the actual living of our lives between the cracks of that, which I find really sad.

Between the commuting, having to feed ourselves – eating or cooking, ideally not eating fast food or eating out, which is obscenely expensive, especially now – it feels like we have no time left. And don’t forget sleep. We’ve got sleep that needs to happen in there somewhere too. So, how much time left do we actually have to ourselves at the end of the day?

How much energy do we have left at the end of the day to actually work on ourselves and put in place these habits and routines. It’s like that triangle that maybe some people have seen around the Internet where it’s ” choose two”, and the three points of the triangle contain good grades, enough sleep, and then social life.

And no matter what, it seems like we have to sacrifice somewhere at this point, and, in the end, I don’t think that benefits us. If we had a shorter workday, for example, I don’t feel like this would be the case as much. People would have more time to just be basically at the end of the day.

[00:12:29] Andrew Gilley: It should be noted that productivity among workers, like per dollar value, is way up, versus worker pay has stagnated essentially. So, it’s not about the productivity, it’s about the way society overall is structured. The 8-hour workday is not an immutable fact of American slash Western society, it’s doesn’t have to be like that.

[00:12:47] Wesley Jackson: Yeah, we didn’t always have an 8-hour workday. 

[00:12:49] Andrew Gilley: It used to be a lot worse actually.

[00:12:51] Wesley Jackson: Yeah, true.

[00:12:52] Andrew Gilley: So, who do you think this is a problem in particular for? Everybody’s got problems with routines, but as with everything, there’s some people who are gonna have a little bit more difficulty with that than others.

So, what are your thoughts here?

[00:13:05] Wesley Jackson: I’ll take a personal perspective here: anybody who has ADHD.

So, that’s myself included. People like us easily get sucked into and trapped by the dopamine slot machine that is social media, Tinder, video games, anything that provides a randomized reward system, really. 

So, it’s, you know, even harder to maintain the self-discipline, like I said, during that first phase where it feels like work still, when you’re having to implement these new habits, it’s even harder to maintain the discipline necessary to get through that hump in order to avoid the unproductive routines compared to the average person.

Especially since maintaining healthy routines is extra boring for us. So, we have a whole subset, I would say, of requirements that are necessary to creating these strong, stable routines.

First example off the top of my head is the religious use of timers and reminders. I have so many just throughout each day of my life to remind me to do things because if I don’t have those reminders on my phone and these timers to remind me to do certain things each day, I’m just not gonna do ’em.

It doesn’t matter how long I’ve been doing them for, if I don’t have that prompt to do the work for me in that sense, in terms of remembering, I most likely won’t do it.

What about you?

[00:14:25] Andrew Gilley: Yeah, I think more broadly speaking, anyone who feels overwhelmed, because this is work. It’s difficult. It’s not easy to come home from an overwhelming shift at work and then try to work on yourself. It’s very difficult to do that. So, what we really want here is people who are feeling overwhelmed to be able to recover from it, and social media doesn’t help you recover from feeling overwhelmed.

It gives you a quick dopamine hit, but probably ends up doing more harm in general, because you get distracted and you get unfocused and sucked into the loop.

It’s very easy to want to do that, and I do it a lot. That’s why I know how easy it is to just start doom scrolling when you’re depressed instead of doing something that would actually be good for your depression. Meditating or taking a hot bath, literally, probably anything else would’ve been a better idea for when I’m depressed than doomscrolling.

But, it’s so easy to slip into that if you aren’t thinking about it, and we’re not thinking about it usually because we’re all very tired all the time. So, really anybody who feels overworked, which I think most people do, and probably are.

[00:15:28] Wesley Jackson: Yeah. Why should we all care about this at the end of the end of the day?

[00:15:32] Andrew Gilley: The goal of capitalist society in general is to make you form routines that are appropriate for the continuing production of the society. So, that’s the workweek, that’s consumerism, that’s anything that leads into the circular profit system. So, when you’re looking at that, we have to make our habits work for us, like I’ve said, because they’re disrupting your habits by chunking in the 8-to-16 hour workday.

It benefits other people, because it benefits your employer to have you working more, but not necessarily you. So, when we care about our habits, we wanna make sure we’re working toward appropriate goals, and some of these goals are going to be different than the ones that society foists upon you.

Striking that balance is tricky, and I certainly won’t claim to be an expert at it, but aligning yourself on the right path is really important. Because as James Clear talks about in Atomic Habits, little differences add up over time. If you become 1% better at something per day, he points out that means 37 times better at something after 365 days, a whole year.

These things really compound, but the problem is, so do the bad ones. When I was like, oh yeah, I’ll have a cigarette at a party. Oh yeah, I’ll just buy the one pack and then from there I smoked for like six years. So, getting 1% worse every day – also something to watch out for.

[00:16:50] Wesley Jackson: Yeah, I think the proof is really in the pudding there with the math, and I think that really helps simplify it in a really easily digestible way when it’s one to 37. That’s a big difference, and that’s just in one year. Think of the potential if you swap out a bad habit that you’re doing every day for a good one, and then when you compound it from one to 37, that’s just crazy to think about the momentum.

So implementing routines takes time, space, and patience, right? So if we don’t have the time in the first place to adopt these new routines, like you said, while maintaining both a healthy social life and a productive work life, then there’s clearly something wrong here. I think in particular something that’s really wrong is our children.

With so many of them now growing up with a phone or a tablet in their hands as early as the age of two, spending an hour or more watching YouTube or even TikTok every single day, what do we think that’s going to look like when they grow up later on?

We’re planting the seeds of addictive behavior patterns right now at such a large scale and at such an early age, I can only wonder as to the consequences that this is going to have 10, 20 years down the line. We’re basically producing slaves to screens on an unseen scale at this point.

But let’s try to wheel this back to something more positive. Andrew, how do you think routines are tied back to habits at the end of the day because they are a little bit different, right?

[00:18:26] Andrew Gilley: Yep. Routine’s how you create a habit. So, a routine you can deliberately choose. A habit is something that you do – like you cited in the Duke report – mostly unconsciously, so we all have habits and those are the things we do without really thinking about them. Again, good and bad, I meditate every day, but also doomscroll, so there’s some mixing there. None of us are gonna have all good or all bad habits, and the point isn’t really to be perfect. That’s not something that’s attainable, really.

What we’re looking at is we wanna be good people. And Aristotle, like I said above, thinks that this is the way to do it. You need to set your routines and practice them so they become habits. And once you practice these routines and they become habits, then the habits determine who you are.

If you’re a bad person, but you wanna be better, you start by just doing good things, doing it in a routine, then these things eventually compound and you change who you are through that action. Now, like I said, you have to want to change, but when we set our habits toward good things, when we set them out toward the world and we set them for ourselves so we can flourish and everyone around us can flourish.

That’s when the real work pays off. So, when we change our routines, we change our habits, we change ourselves, we change the world.

[00:19:41] Wesley Jackson: Ooh, that’s very motivational. Yeah. It’s like you said, right? Rome wasn’t built in a day, after all, and neither are we. We’re very complex entities at the end of the day, I don’t think us humans give ourselves enough credit sometimes in that regard. Yeah, I see routines as a series of habits working in tandem together. Like you said, it’s something that’s built up to. They produce, in particular, a feeling of flow and momentum that can really help set us up for success at the end of the day and for the rest of our days.

And so as this momentum continues to increase over time and compounds, like you said, we get to see the positive effects on a daily basis. I think that’s when things really start to snowball, it becomes really inspiring to see ourselves changed in such a positive way. Because naturally we tend to shy away from change as humans because of this, innate, primal fear of the unknown.

We don’t know what that change is going to look like, but in this case, when it’s intentional, it creates this feeling of power – it’s very empowering. The more positive habits that we do link together, like you said, the better the outcome. And the faster that we’ll see the results as well.

But, our brains are wired to take the path of least resistance whenever and wherever possible in order to conserve energy. I think the way that we can get around this is by rewarding ourselves a little bit when we do execute these positive habits, especially during that first self-discipline phase, when you’ve taken on a new habit. This way, our brain is still getting that hit of dopamine that it’s seeking, that it might have been getting otherwise from smoking, social media doomscrolling, watching YouTube.

Habit apps do this for example by pairing fun animations and sounds anytime you complete an individual habit or achieve like a “perfect day”, where you have done all of your habits that you wanted to get done in a day. I think this is a really powerful and yet small way to incentivize that “monkey brain”, so to speak, to like doing something.

[00:21:44] Andrew Gilley: That’s helpful and gives us a little bit of a roadmap to how you start implementing these things, because it feels a little sometimes silly at first to do the little dopamine things. I’ve done the habit app thing, but it really does work over time.

We can close it out with a little bit more immediate examples. So, what do you do, Wes? What do you do as an individual?

And I should put a disclaimer here. Please do not just copy our daily routines. These are really very personal. I’m a guy who really likes to try to find a guide for something and it’s not possible, I already tried – you can’t just copy someone’s daily routine. But, that being said, it’s always a great jumping off point to hear what other people are doing and how they personally keep themselves grounded. So for our listeners, Wes, what are a few ideas?

[00:22:28] Wesley Jackson: Yeah, don’t copy our routines. Try to combine both of them and do all of them in one day.

Then see how that goes for you. Report back. Just kidding.

Yeah, so as I said at the beginning of the episode, master the three areas of sleep, nutrition, and movement. Incorporating positive habits from these areas into your life on a daily basis really helps. And so I’ll give some examples of what this looks like in my own daily routine.

So, I wake up at 6:00 AM, I take my daily vitamins or supplements, and then I do 15 minutes of Qi Gong, which is similar to Tai Chi, and that’s my movement for the day. And then I personally like to break basically, and I get to read various philosophy and psychology articles that I may have put on my list. That’s my non-fiction reading for the day.

Then, I resume my routine with a five-minute gratitude journal entry, which for me is super important it’s a really good depression fighter, I would say and wash my face and I brush my teeth, and then I begin work at 9:00 AM. The way I work as well is where I will commit three hours to my most pressing project of the day first, and then I execute smaller tasks, three of them that take like a maximum of 15 minutes or so each before I move on to daily maintenance tasks. That help. Keep things running smoothly, and that’s in the afternoon. This is called the 3-3-3 method.

In order to help make this all run smoothly as well, I use the Pomodoro technique, so I work for 25 minutes and then I take a five-minute break, which is where I then get up outta my chair and I walk around and I stretch my body if I feel like it’s necessary. That way, I continue to get this movement added into my day on an incremental basis.

Once I finish work at 4:00 PM, I review and I organize tomorrow’s tasks, because that’s something that’s really important for keeping the momentum going so that you don’t have to wake up and then you get to your desk and you’re like, “okay, what am I actually doing right now, what am I supposed to be doing today?”

If you plan that beforehand, it really helps jumpstart things in the morning. After I review and organize tomorrow’s tasks, I meditate using the Waking Up app, and then I eat dinner, an early one.

Then, another five-minute gratitude journal entry to round out the day. And something that works really well for me having, racing thoughts once I lay down for the day in bed is brain dump journaling actually, as it’s called. And so that’s where I basically just fill a blank page with whatever’s on my mind.

And this really helps make it a lot easier for me to fall asleep quickly, because normally I would stay awake thinking. I also forgot to mention I make some tea as well, and yeah, brush my teeth, wash my face, lights off around 9:00 for me, and ideally asleep by 10:30.

That way I’m still getting seven and a half hours of sleep each night, which for me really makes a big difference between six, for example, hours of sleep. And yeah, there you have it. It’s important though, like you said, Andrew, to remember that this routine works for me, definitely not for everybody.

So it’s best to experiment, I would say, importantly, with a variety of routines until you find what’s most effective for you as an individual.

That felt really long, but honestly, it’s not as much as it sounds. But what about you, Andrew? What do you do on a daily basis?

[00:25:44] Andrew Gilley: I really am realizing right now how similar our schedules are, except mine has shifted around a little bit. So probably I’ll talk more generally, but wake up, meds, coffee, meditate, morning pages, which are essentially your brain dump journal, but I do them first thing in the morning and then I start writing.

[00:26:01] Wesley Jackson: Oh, interesting.

[00:26:01] Andrew Gilley: Yeah. But like this advice is not going to be useful for non-writers. This is the sort of thing I’m talking about. But yeah, the main thing I try to avoid doing, which I failed, this morning, honestly, was don’t look at your screen when you get up, don’t look at your phone when you get up.

I failed. I failed this morning because I was worried about a text message – there was nothing I really was panicking about, it was just I need to make sure nobody needs me. That starts out – you’re thinking about a whole bunch of different things.

You’re looking at Twitter, oh, now I may as well check Instagram while I’m here. And now you’re thinking about 50 different things, and I find it impossible to write like that. So, don’t start your day online if you can.

Nicholas Carr says in The Shallows, 30 to 40 times a day we interrupt ourselves checking email. And it’s probably way more than that with any kind of notification on your phone. So, while multitasking could be beneficial, it’s not for the kind of stuff I’m doing in the morning. I’m trying to get into flow, trying to sit down and write. Aside from my meditation app on my phone, I try not to look at it. Apps that block stuff are helpful, I have Freedom. There’s a whole bunch out there. So, yeah, if you give into the Twitter, there are apps that could help with that too.

My main point here is not that Twitter is bad itself. The point I’m making is that you have to be deliberate, because it’s okay to take a five-minute break to check Twitter, there’s nothing wrong with that. As long as you’re doing it intentionally, and that’s the big problem. I’ll literally put ” 15-minute Twitter Break” in my calendar for the day.

But a five-minute Twitter break turning into a 30-minute one – that’s when you have the problem. So, looking from that perspective and how you can make your phone work for you, not against you in these kind of contexts is pretty important. And your computer, same deal there. Depends on what you work on.

One last thing, also don’t go on your phone in bed. The blue light’s bad for your brain, the distractions are bad for your brain, it just ruins your sleep. Sleep is very important and we’re basically conditioned since high school, I would say, to get by with less than the sleep we should just because that’s what’s expected of you, because of how much you’re going to have to work when you grow up.

So to sum up, what can we do? Make sure that your technology’s working for you and not against you. And make sure that when you’re setting your habits and thinking about your routines, that you’re focusing on who you want to be. From there the rest follows.

[00:28:07] Wesley Jackson: I like it. Take us away.

[00:28:09] Andrew Gilley: Alright, thank you so much for listening everybody. Tune in next Tuesday, where we’ll have Mike Davidson, a motivational YouTuber with over 1 million subscribers on the show to share his experience with routines and how through our understanding of them, we may just survive humanity.

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Thank you everyone, we’ll see you next week.

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